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How Reddit ruined ‘Serial’—and journalism
How is it that we know everything about Serial from the subreddit, and not from the podcast itself?
I listened to the final episode of Serial last night, on a plane back home from a vacation. When it was over, my boyfriend, who was also listening to the episode, asked me what I’d thought about it.
“It was…OK,” I said. “To be honest, I don’t feel like I’ve learned anything new about the case.”
“What about that there was another serial killer targeting Asian women in the Baltimore area?” he asked. “That seems pretty huge.”
“Saw that on Reddit,” I said.
“What about Adnan’s alibi from his mosque youth leader, that he was at the mosque the night of the murder?” he said.
We went on like this for some time, until a lady a few rows ahead of us came to our seats. “Are you guys talking about Serial?” she asked.
“Yeah,” I said. “I was just saying I’d heard about this serial killer guy a few weeks ago on Reddit.”
“Oh, I didn’t see it on Reddit,” she said. “But I did hear about him on Slate.”
This woman and myself were both Serial devotees, the types of hardcore fans you’ve tried to avoid at parties for fear of getting roped into a discussion about the Nisha Call, or forced to listen to an impression of the Italian “Use-a MailChimp” guy. But for us hardcore Serial fans, who’ve spent hours blearily scrolling through r/Serialpodcast and listening to podcasts about the podcast and getting into GChat arguments with work colleagues about the Innocence Project lady, the Serial finale was hugely disappointing. Not because it failed to reach any resolution about the case, as many fans featured, because even worse, it was just boring. Thanks to Reddit, it was all old news.
But what hasn’t been said about the Serial subreddit—and, frankly, about Reddit in general—is that people are doing some pretty great reporting and research on there—maybe not by Columbia Journalism Review standards, but certainly by the standards of the podcast itself, if the overlap between the two is any indication.
Take the threads devoted to convicted serial killer Ronald Lee Moore, whose DNA linked him to the the 1999 murder of Baltimore-area woman Anneliese Hyang Suk Lee. Serial listeners only heard about Moore during the finale, when Innocence Project representative Deirdre Enright told Koenig that her team wanted to analyze DNA on Lee’s body to see if it matched that of Moore.
While this was potentially a game-changer for casual Serial listeners, it wasn’t so much of a bombshell to longtime r/Serialpodcast lurkers. Moore’s name had actually been floating around on Reddit for at least a month prior to the airing of the finale:
Ronald Lee Moore: He was arrested many times and on the FBI most wanted list. His DNA has recently been found on saved samples from the Dec 1999 murder of Annelise Hyang Suk Lee (also in the Baltimore area). Cause of death: blunt force trauma and strangulation.
The timing (very near Hae’s) and the cause of death do seem suspicious.
If they can still test DNA samples in Hae’s case it would be interesting to see if anyone know to police like this for similar crimes comes up.
Same with Roy Davis, a.k.a. the “Woodlawn Strangler,” who was convicted of strangling a woman named Jada Danita Lambert in northeast Baltimore in 1998, and was living six miles away from Woodlawn High School at the time of Hae’s death. Koenig never mentioned Davis on Serial, but the Slate Serial Spoiler podcast has (as has the Daily Dot), and someone on the subreddit did more than a month ago:
Here’s what I found today… and wondered if anyone else had noticed this..
An 18 year old girl from Woodlawn was killed in May 1998, just 6 months before Hae went missing. The same method of strangulation was used and also the body was taken to a local park by a stream, as per Hae’s murder.http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2004-07-27/news/0407270054_1_lambert-dna-davis
Of course, we have no way of knowing whether Koenig knew anything about these men, either from Reddit or from another source, and just chose not to report on them. (Koenig herself has said she does not follow the subreddit, though she told the New York Times her staff does.) Further, it goes without saying that the idea that Davis and Moore had anything to do with Hae’s murder is nothing more than speculation. But speculation surrounding Moore’s role in the case was apparently compelling enough for Koenig to report on it—weeks after a handful of anonymous sleuths on an online forum had made the connection.
Same goes for the now-Reddit infamous “Adnan is a psychopath” thread, where someone claiming to be a childhood friend of Adnan’s alleged that he had seen Adnan steal money from the collection plate at the mosque. While not directly related to the murder allegations against Adnan, the post was intended to cast doubt on Koenig’s testimonies of Adnan’s sterling character.
Fast-forward to Episode 11, “Rumors,” where Koenig addresses the mosque allegations and gets Adnan himself to confess to them. Although Koenig interviews a number of people about these allegations, which she claims to have “heard” from a few ambiguous sources, she fails to mention that thousands of other people had “heard” this about Adnan weeks before, on the Serial subreddit.
This is not to say that Reddit is inherently reliable, or that the armchair sleuths on Reddit are better reporters than Koenig is; obviously, it isn’t, and they aren’t. Many of the rumors and allegations floating around the Serial sub-reddit are unsubstantiated and impossible to verify (for instance, the anonymous OP of the mosque accusations wasn’t verified on Reddit), and due to the anonymous nature of the Internet, it’s much harder to determine if someone is telling the truth about who they say they are than it is for a reporter like Koenig to do the same.
Sure, Koenig and her team are professionals, and they have a lot of reporting resources that keyboard sleuths don’t have access to, such as primary sources and court documents. But when you look at the reporting they’ve done on the Syed case side-by-side with the reporting Reddit has done in aggregate, there’s an awful lot of overlap—enough, I think, to embarrass Koenig and her team.
As a journalist, what the Serial podcast taught me is that Reddit hasn’t just been a goldmine for digital clickbait journalism; it’s supplanting the reporting of even talented veteran investigative journalists like Sarah Koenig as well. That’s a great thing for armchair sleuths and diehard Serial devotees, and probably not such a great thing for traditional journalism. But it does mean that stories like Serial are no longer just about Adnan or Adnan and Hae and Jay or even Adnan and Hae and Jay and Sarah Koenig. They’re about all of us.
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EJ Dickson is a writer and editor who primarily covers sex, dating, and relationships, with a special focus on the intersection of intimacy and technology. She served as the Daily Dot’s IRL editor from January 2014 to July 2015. Her work has since appeared in the New York Times, Rolling Stone, Mic, Bustle, Romper, and Men’s Health.