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‘I knew enough to know that these feelings were bad news.’

Last week, Dan Harmon apologized to former Community writer Megan Ganz for abusing his position as her boss and treating her “like garbage” after she called him out on Twitter. But the co-creator of Rick and Morty and Community showrunner also addressed it in the latest episode of his Harmontown podcast, detailing just how he sexually harassed her while they worked together.

Harmon prefaced the segment, which starts at 18:38 mark, by telling his co-hosts that he has to get something off his chest. Legal counsel that he received advised against it, but he decided to talk about it after getting feedback from women creators he respected, who told him that he should hold himself accountable and be open about how he’s been part of the problem if he wants to be a part of the solution. (Harmon’s recollection of what happened on Community begins around the 20:41 mark.)

Although Harmon doesn’t mention Ganz or Community by name, it’s evident from the hints he gives that he’s talking about both based on the timeline and his description of running a “network sitcom.” He said that he was “attracted to an employee,” though he’s careful not to conflate it with the kind of language that could possibly romanticize a power dynamic; as Ganz’s boss and the series showrunner, Harmon had leverage over her.

“I knew enough to know that these feelings were bad news,” he said. “That was easy enough to know. I knew that they ran the risk of undercutting people’s faith in my judgment, her faith in her talent, the other writers’ respect for me, the entire production, the audience. I knew that I wasn’t doing anybody any favors by feeling these things. And so I did the cowardly, easiest, laziest thing you could do with feelings like that, and I didn’t deal with them. And in not dealing with them I made everybody else deal with them, especially her.”

Harmon recounted acting “flirty” and “creepy” toward Ganz and lying to his girlfriend at the time–and himself—about it. When confronted by others about his behavior, he used his public support of women and declaration that he was a feminist as a shield to call those who accused him of inappropriate behavior sexist. It didn’t help him to hear it, so he ignored it.

Harmon has had time to collect his thoughts, and the way he presents what happened during his years of sexually harassing Ganz is designed to sound “relatively unremarkable.” They may have worked on a critically acclaimed comedy together, but the power dynamic between the two and much of what he did to harass Ganz (and later punish her) could happen anywhere. For many women, it’s a very familiar and depressing story.

His harassment escalated over subsequent seasons, and Ganz told him that what he put her through made her doubt if she was good at her job. Harmon professed his love, but Ganz again pointed out she didn’t share his feeling but was at a disadvantage because he was her boss. Humiliated and rejected, Harmon said that he “wanted to teach her a lesson” and punish her for not reciprocating what he believed at the time to be feelings for her. He acknowledged that he then made Ganz’s life a living hell—what she has since referred to as “trauma.” Harmon explicitly stated that he treated Ganz in a way that he would never have done to a male writer. Harmon lost his job, said he ruined his show, and he was still in denial about what he had done. 

He offered Ganz another apology, but he also acknowledged that he got away with it by not thinking about it—something that he said probably would have continued doing had Ganz not called him out on it. He said he hoped speaking publicly about it encouraged other men to actually think about how their actions affect others. 

“I never did it before and I will never do it again, but I certainly wouldn’t have been able to do it if I had any respect for women,” Harmon said. “On a fundamental level I was thinking about them as different creatures. I was thinking about the ones that I liked as having some special role in my life. And I did it all by not thinking about it.”

After the episode was posted online, Ganz took to Twitter and urged her followers to listen to the episode. She called it “a masterclass in How to Apologize,” acknowledging that Harmon went beyond talking generally about what he did. She expressed vindication of getting an apology she’d been waiting six years to receive, as well as offering Harmon forgiveness.

You can listen to the full episode on Harmontown’s website.

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