A guy on Amtrak spied on the former NSA director

Spy vs. Spy come to life.

Mar 2, 2020, 1:08 pm*



Patrick Howell O'Neill

Tom Matzzie, the former director of MoveOn.org and founder of the Ethical Electric Company, got a big surprise when he sat down on Amtrak’s Acela Express near Philadelphia. Former National Security Agency director Michael Hayden was sitting right behind Matzzie. 

Better yet, Hayden appeared to be talking off the record to a reporter about the the Obama administration and recent revelations that the NSA had spied on the phone calls of 35 world leaders.

“He was 7-8 feet away talking very loudly,” Matzzie told New York magazine. “I thought the former head of NSA and a retired general attacking the president on background was lame. Say it in a book like everyone else.”

Then the question was, how long until Matzzie was busted? And what would happen at that point?

In case you weren’t sure, Matzzie made clear his feelings about Hayden.

Finally, the icing on the cake. Matzzie and Hayden meet.

Global surveillance programs aside, Matzzie also answered the really important questions.

Instead of being kidnapped and taken to a secret prison, Matzzie was spotlighted by media the world over. He made the New York Times, Le Monde, and even landed an exclusive interview with the Today Show. Well, almost.

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*First Published: Oct 25, 2013, 10:50 am