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For all of the fantastical elements in the Super Mario Bros. games, it’s the nature of Toad’s head that sparked questions from fans. Is the character’s mushroom top his head or a hat? Video games and other media have provided contradictory (and occasionally confounding) evidence on both sides of the debate. In some games and videos, Toad has used the mushroom top as a hat and a handy tool, but other iterations have shown Toad wearing a hat on top of the mushroom top, treating it like one cohesive part of his head.
Yoshiaki Koizumi, who produced Super Mario Odyssey, tackled the question for fans during a talk about the game. His answer is definitive yet open-ended: While he confirms that the top is part of Toad’s head, he doesn’t offer detail on how it all works together.
“So that, as it turns out, is actually Toad’s head,” Koizumi said. “I’m going to have to leave it to all of you to figure out exactly how that works out. Maybe there’s something inside…”
Most of the video is pretty spoiler-heavy if you haven’t finished playing Odyssey. Koizumi also touched on Mario’s lack of a belly button, noting that he “didn’t really expect that to be a topic among fans.”
But for fans who have spent months exploring the game, soon no stone will be left unturned—and no question will be left unasked.
Michelle Jaworski is a staff writer and the resident Game of Thrones expert at the Daily Dot. She covers entertainment, geek culture, and pop culture and has brought her knowledge to conventions like Con of Thrones. She is based in New Jersey.